Q: For us, it’s been a week since I spoke with you last. How long has it been from your perspective?
Q: Forever and no time?
Kipu: Yes. These moments are sort of cherry-picked. From our side, things are not sorted so much chronologically, but rather by theme or topic.
Q: I see. So you essentially pick the theme and then choose to address everything all in the same sitting, or all at once?
Kipu: No, it is more like the separation of the mass reality that we are experiencing now with the parallel Earths splitting. Yes? You are aware of that?
Kipu: It’s the same sort of thing, where like attracts like, water seeks its level. So if you’re not looking at things chronologically, everything that may – it’s not so specific as we sense that you’re thinking of it. It’s not like there’s a big book or a list. But there can be things that are of the same emotional quality, or the same metaphor, the same specific image, could be geographical location. But all of these things are happening on multiple levels at once, yes? Just as you’re sitting in a county, and you are of a certain age numerically. Do you see what we’re saying?
Kipu: You are happening on many levels at once. It depends which one you look at.
Q: Right. So physical beings typically just experience one reality at a time, whereas you –
Kipu: No, no, no. Physical beings are experiencing a plethora of realities at all times. It’s just that the conscious mind will permit a tiny fraction of the overall experience to be consciously perceived.
Q: So you, the Kipu, are you mostly people who have lived monastic lives? Or do you have various backgrounds?
Kipu: First know that we the Kipu includes yourself.
Q: Okay, us the Kipu. Thank you.
Kipu: Us, the Kipu. We, the Kipu. The consortium referred to generally as Kipu is centered around the channel herself and her parallel incarnations, most of whom have monastic ties. She has extensive monastic ties. However, it is to be understood that the overall Kipu, when we discuss Kipu, is a constantly fluctuating and changing consortium of, we could say, visiting scholars, rogues, and angels who come and go.
Just as the prior question about how you are perceived or how you are experienced, as your expression of consciousness throws off a certain light, at a certain, vibration, it is almost like a smell. And as other individuals who have olfactory apparatus are attracted or repelled by certain smells, when a certain scent is positive or attractive, such an individual gravitates to that smell. This is not a thing where the first individual has said, “I wish to present a smell!” It is simply something that is part of existence. And the one who is attracted to it similarly does not necessarily consciously gravitate, although it can also be conscious, as we have discussed with the bridging concept between the physical and the higher mind. Does that make sense?
Kipu: So, like attracts like. Water seeks its own level. This happens on many levels at once. Again, you are happening on many levels at once. It is necessary and important to focus the physical mind down, yes? Do you understand?
Kipu: This is what is called grounding, is the attentiveness to the actual presentation of the life as perceived. That is the No. 1 job of the conscious mind, is to gather facts. That is all. Simply gather, gather, gather facts, and allow the higher self to create the plans and provide the navigation. Allow the higher self to provide the navigation. Keep your pencil sharpened with your thoughts, with your insistence on doing so.
Q: Yes. So this consortium that we’re a part of now is a consortium of what, integrity? Can you elaborate on that?
Kipu: Well, the primary Kipu consortium, as described, is, again, focused around the channel herself and her parallel incarnations. You may think of her core consciousness as a working group, like a consulting firm. And then other consultants, and other consulting firms may merge and diverge, depending upon the project, the interest, the skill sets, etc. Does that answer your question?
Q: Near my home town in Heber City, Utah, there is a mountain called Mount Timpanogos. And from my perspective, on my side of the mountain, on the left-hand side there is what looks like an outline of a woman lying down. And it made me think about the Sphinx. You said the Sphinx was a physicalization of a collective of beings. I’m probably messing that up. But I wanted to ask if the Mount Timpanogos structure, the way it was designed, does that represent anything? What can you say more about that?
Kipu: We may say that there are two entirely different things at work. The Sphinx was a physicalization in terms of inspiration that was required, the amount of consortium input that had to be physicalized by human beings to make that happen was enormous. Understood?
Kipu: The Sphinx is only a physicalization in that sense. There was no incarnation per se in that way. It was literally a monument created by an enormous group. The amount of consortium-level energy that had to be filtered down appropriately through living channels at the timeframe was extraordinary, phenomenal. As above, so below. That was a manifestation of an energetic creation. You may think of it as a channeling. It is a channeled expression of an artwork that exists on an energetic level, and serves an entirely different resonance function within its working group. And that is all the hints you will get about that for today.
Q: Fair enough.
Kipu: What was the other question? Oh, about the mountain, Timpanogos. Our sense of this is that you have hit upon a local energetic, naturally occurring vortex, which is connected to specific interdimensional beings, or used in a specific way. This is why the appearance to yourself in your imagination. As we have said, imagination and intuition are the same thing. Those words are interchangeable. And thus when you see a natural feature, especially in your geographical location, where this is a very prominent cultural artifact, it is a very likely experience to have in the American Southwest generally. Because similar experiences have happened many times, and these energetic connections have been strengthened and reinforced over generations on both sides.
And thus as you experience such things triggering such imaginations of specific beings, images, or ideas which open up other vistas of exploration for yourself, you may take the literal things metaphorically.
Q: Right. The literal mountain shape I can take metaphorically in some way?
Kipu: Yes. For example, if that were a woman lying there, you may ask yourself on an energetic level, why? In this way you may come to know that being. You may come to familiarize yourself with the interdimensional being recognized as a figure by yourself, by your own intuition. This is similar to an interdimensional being known as the Angel of Shavano in Colorado, which the channel has experienced in a similar way. This is a vortex or portal.
Q: So if I were to go to the top of that, is that where the vortex would be strongest?
Kipu: It is not logical to assume directionality would apply in an interdimensional exchange. You would automatically gravitate to the portion of the field that was more relevant for yourself in whatever way. And as you own consciousness and intention and experience continue to shift and change within that energetic field, the response and the outcome would naturally shift and flow as well. Things are not so hard and fast. There are not such clear and firm lines as you tend to think.
Q: That makes sense.
Kipu: We sense that we have not answered your question fully.
Q: Well, there’s an Native American legend around the mountain. They have various stories of what happened. So that’s just their perception of the energy of that place, is that correct?
Kipu: These are your beginning starting points of coming to familiarize yourself and acquaint yourself with that being, of the mountain, the beings, the interdimensional beings who have this established history of interaction and communication with the local humans. This is how you may observe the interaction that this same being has had with other humans. And you may begin to apply their experiences as a preamble or a prefix to your own. And then you may begin to add your own experiences with that being, or those beings, to the overall canon of understanding.
Q: The part of this that I’m confused about is which beings are you talking about. Are you talking about ETs? Interdimensional beings? Or are you talking about the beings of the mountain itself? Or the Earth?
Kipu: All three. It is all three. It is all three at once. It is all three at once. Interdimensional beings can inhabit a mountain for certain timeframes, for certain purposes.
Q: That answers that, thank you.
Kipu: We sense there is still some confusion.
Q: When you say being, I imagine like a physical, human-sized being.
Kipu: Well, this is a mistake on your part, then, isn’t it?
Q: Well, that’s what I’m trying to understand.
Kipu: Silly rabbit. Silly rabbit! What shape is the Holy Ghost?
Q: I don’t know. It doesn’t have a shape. It depends on who you ask.
Kipu: Is it a being?
Q: Sure, yes.
Kipu: Extradimensional beings need not have any shape or form whatsoever. You may think of it as a glob of consciousness, literally nothing more than a cloud of consciousness, without the cloud.
Q: I understand that. I just wanted to make sure you weren’t saying something like an ET civilization had come down on the mountain and done something.
Kipu: [Laughing] We have not said they did not. We have certainly not said they did not. That question was not asked.
Q: Do you want to say more about those events?
Kipu: Please ask a specific question.
Q: Did an extraterrestrial civilization land on Mount Timpanogos at some point in time?
Kipu: When you say “land on,” this is an overly specific definition. We have said several times that many extradimensional beings come and go from this mountain at different times, for different reasons. They may be extradimensional, they may be extraterrestrial, they may be many different beings. There are, however, certain beings which have an extensive history of interaction with the Native humans of the area. And as we have said, the legends and stories of such have been examples of interactions with one or more of such beings inhabiting the mountain.
The extradimensionals may be connected with the elementals as extended family in ways which you may not be able to perceive currently, in that the Earth has sisters, and brothers, and cousins, yes? And thus other beings may come to the Earth to connect with her in certain locations at certain times, for reasons you may not have imagined. And thus the connections with the local humans, and the interactions with the local humans, may be incidental, simply because the consciousnesses or the other beings are in the area, and the Native Americans were consistently aware of their higher selves, were consistently living a lifestyle that enabled them to keep their pencils sharp. And thus they were able to notice the beings within the mountains as simply as they were able to notice animals walking around.
Q: Why do the legends say that Western Native Americans had to sacrifice people to bring rain? Did that really happen among Native Americans, human sacrifice? Let me clarify, among the ones that were aware of their higher selves?
Kipu: The question is somewhat difficult in the framing, in that it is not so rigid a concept as you are perceiving. Their awareness of their higher selves was more akin to lucid dreaming, was more akin to a much larger perspective.
As we have discussed, one of our Kipu, Xyalatl, has been an ancestral, archetypal Mesoamerican Toltec-Aztec priest. And he was someone who you would consider to be a lucid dreamer who prayed without ceasing. And thus it is entirely possible to get this enormous question, this enormous theological issue, incorrect. Even for the most diligent and dedicated servant, it is entirely possible to confuse whether reality or consciousness is more important. Even when we know the correct answer, it is still entirely possible to come up with the wrong result.
Q: This is kind of like Joseph Smith receiving a certain message and then going sideways with it due to his own belief systems?
Kipu: Correct. That said, we will, as you might say, keep it 100. Xyalatl had much stronger integrity than Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith would not be so much in this conversation without your invocation of him. And you have graced him. You have assisted in Joseph Smith’s shoveling his way out of hell.
Q: How would I do that?
Kipu: You have done it by invoking Joseph Smith. He worked his way through, with his own integrity, to the point where he was able to connect with you at the level where you were able to consciously enter this consortium. And thus using your integrity to discuss him, to, as we have said, “Beetlejuice” him, you have brought him more directly into the conversation than he would otherwise be. He is thus able to share what he has learned with us all.
Q: Good. When Xyalatl would sacrifice children he had integrity, but his belief systems were that he had to sacrifice someone for a much more positive benefit? Is that correct?
Kipu: Yes. He believed that he was drawing all of the Earth’s evil unto himself.
Q: That’s crazy to me.
Kipu: No, within his context it made perfect sense at the time. This is what he has to say for you, is that the same mistake that he made, anyone can make, and people make all the time. To believe – we must not be so sure of conscious beliefs. Don’t believe everything you think.
Q: His was just on a more life-and-death scale, if you will?
Kipu: Xyalatl was an individual whose self-discipline and sobriety would stun Joseph Smith into shame.
Q: So the message is don’t believe our conscious thoughts and beliefs so much?
Kipu: Yes. Don’t place so much stock in the things that you think. You must always resort to your energy self. You must always, always believe what you feel and what you know. Is it not that you have often been in an experience where on the surface level, the words and the flow of ordinary things appeared to be just fine, but in your gut you felt like things were just not right somehow?
Kipu: This is always the case. This is a question of picking up on subtler energetic realities and truths which are frequently bypassed by the conscious mind. We will say with respect to an earlier question, it is entirely appropriate for the conscious mind to be continually gathering information and handing it over to the higher self. The higher self will give directions in the form of physical sensations. And thus awareness, such as with breath and body awareness, is crucial to being guided by the higher self at all times and in all things.
And thus we may say prayer without ceasing is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. That is to say, maintaining that conscious connection to your higher self within your physicalization is a highly recommended lifestyle choice.
Q: Another word we have for that is intuition. Isn’t it the same thing, kind of feeling what’s right?
Kipu: Intuition is the same thing as imagination. We are talking about a much more immediate experience, your immediate experience of life, the actual sensation. It is to be understood that there is only one life, and all beings are sharing of it. And thus the portion that you call “you” is one bit of it, which has been squashed down in a certain way to continue the pencil analogy, and hardened, squashed down, pushed, hardened all the way down into expression as a physical being.
Q: Did Xyalatl feel like something wasn’t quite right, but he didn’t listen to his feelings?
Kipu: Yes. As the old saying goes, his dogma ran over his karma. His karma ran over his dogma. [Laughs]
Kipu: Our sense of God is that it is a sum-total consortium, macrocosm and microcosm, just as we who call ourselves the Kipu for the purpose of this project also identify as members of many, many other multitudinous collectives, yes? And thus God may be seen as the sum total of all collectives of consciousness, which simply cooperates within different energetic ranges, frequencies, and vibrations, in order to explore various themes.
Q: So there’s not one person who’s God that looks over everything? It’s more of a collective?
Kipu: It is a fractal, which may be viewed, perhaps, as a sphere. Whereas we may see iterations of fractal geometry with beautiful vivid colors in many iterations, yes? Have you seen such images?
Kipu: Yes. If you may imagine that all that exists is something along the lines of a Rubik’s cube, however spherical in shape – if it were to specifically have a shape, which we are not saying that it does, other than for purposes of this discussion. However, it may be thought of as something akin to a spherical Rubik’s cube, composed of all fractals. If you were to take all fractals which exist, and sort of roll them backward, work them backwards to the actual Big Bang, you would find this spherical Rubik’s cube type structure, metaphorically speaking. Does that make sense?
Kipu: Thus, as this spherical sort of Rubik’s cube composed of all fractals expanded in all directions to its full expression — which is an infinite process, yes? If you understand fractals. This was perceived as the Big Bang. Each iteration of a fractal contains the entirety, just as each individuated consciousness contains the entirety of God. Again, it is a macrocosm and microcosm.