Q: From your perspective, what is the purpose of a physical life?
Kipu: Every physical life has as unique a purpose as it has a unique birth and death. Every individual is entirely unique. No two physical purposes may apply.
Q: So how are life themes chosen?
Kipu: Life themes are chosen by preference on a higher-mind level, in connection with the core consciousness, which is a centralization of all of the various parallel incarnations identified within that core consciousness. The core consciousness is itself a microcosm, if you will, of God.
Q: Because we have various cultures and belief systems that there are many different, shall we say, locations or experiences within non‑physical when we die?
Kipu: Each death experience is as unique as its corresponding birth experience.
Q: I’ve heard about what we call a life review. Does that happen right when we die, or is there a time in between death and the life review?
Kipu: There is not such a rigid separation of things from our perspective, even within the actual birth and death processes. The various gradations of energetic resonance and vibration are such that consciousness constantly shifts and moves. And thus the specific framing of a process as life review is somewhat inaccurate from our perspective.
We view the life review as simply another portion of the entire experience, such as the digestion of a meal. Thus at what point does digestion of a meal begin? Well, it begins, literally, when the food is placed across the lips. The chemicals within the saliva itself, the viscous nature of that saliva itself, begins to coat the food and break it down chemically, to assist with the stomach, and small intestine, and the large intestine, and the liver, and so forth.
And in the same way, the energy of the individuated life is digested during the life review. However, the actual process of the digestion began with the process of experiencing the life. The life review may thus be seen, if you will pardon our analogy, as a sort of pooping out of everything that was taken in within the individual’s life.
Q: At that life review I understand that we see the consequences, both positive and negative, of our lives. Is that correct?
Kipu: You may view it as such. It is not so much the heavy-handed sort of Santa Clause-style writing of the list of goods and bads. It is more the analogy of the meal you have consumed, which you call your life. Did that include any vegetables or fiber? Did that food include a large amount of grain alcohol? Did that food contain parts of insects? All of these things will affect the actual process of eliminating them, or completing the process.
Q: So it’s more of an awareness and understanding of your life?
Kipu: It is the completion of the process, completion of the process that begins with the entry of the life. It is exactly like the digestion of the meal of life. We recommend chewing each bite thoroughly, and plenty of water.
Q: You mentioned a minute ago that rogues and angels were also part of the Kipu. I understand the angels. But what do you mean by rogues?
Kipu: Many of the channel’s own parallel incarnations would be referred to as the worst of scoundrels. And Joseph Smith is another who may be perceived in both categories at once. And there are more visiting and observing than we could possibly describe.
Q: When something like this happens, today in our year of time this doesn’t happen a lot. It’s not the normal thing to be doing. So when this connection is made, does it attract a lot of attention because it’s simply a rare thing in our age?
Kipu: We will suggest for you that it is not nearly so rare as you suspect, that all across this planet there are those who pray without ceasing every moment. Any and every moment you choose to pray without ceasing, you are automatically engaged in that consortium, the consortium that does that. Is that understood?
Kipu: At every moment that you are eating pizza, you are within the pizza consortium. At every moment that you are fantasizing about eating pizza, or smelling pizza, or if you are not thinking about pizza until you walk past and smell something, you are dipping in and out of the pizza consortium.
And thus you may begin to notice that your own consciousness is a very winding little river that comes and goes. You may think of the variety of consortiums that you visit each day maybe as a mall, where you are a mall walker, walking around, entering into different shops, or maybe you don’t go into any shops at all. And each of these is a collective of like-minded souls and individuals who are resonating in the same way at the same time. This answers your prior question.
Q: Tell me more about the Ghost Dancers. The channel has told me about that a little bit, that they tried to tunnel into a different reality because they didn’t like how the whites –
Kipu: They did not try. They did it.
Q: So what happened?
Kipu: The way for you to connect with the Ghost Dancers is to turn around. Just turn around and open your eyes. Turn around and open your eyes, open your ears. They are all around you. They are legion within our Kipu consortium. You may embrace your brothers with your heart. Open yourself to the understanding that you stand among them energetically at this time, that you are interacting with the legion of warrior-priests.
Most of the Ghost Dancers as physicalized individuals did not identify as either warrior or priest. The word “warrior” in English is what was basically thought of as an adult male within Native America overall. Each individual had a responsibility, yes? In this way Mormonism may translate directly to their cousins on this energetic level. As you have asked, about how do non‑physical experience physical beings? This is how. This is the overlapping. It is on these points where different beings overlap that they may come together and integrate on a higher level the portions of them that do not overlap.
Q: The reason I said try is because I thought they tried to physically transfer to another version of Earth that didn’t have all of these white invaders. That’s the part I’m saying did not succeed. They physically died, right?
Kipu: This is your conscious mind gone to the weeds, as we say. Your conscious mind is now down the rabbit hole. What there is for you to know is that everything you believe about this, almost everything you believe about this is incorrect, and that your connections to the Ghost Dance are so immediate and so available that you just have no idea. What you must do is, instead of wondering about how to connect the Greys to the Ghost Dance, this is something you may discuss with the channel. This is something the two of you may solve this mystery together. You may form a Scooby gang and begin solving this mystery. The wealth of information that is available to you at the local geological formations that you have referenced, and others, is more than you could possibly integrate if you lived to be 500 years old.
Q: So a technique I can use is?
Kipu: The technique you can use is stop looking for thoughts and information that you can stockpile, and begin having physical experiences that you process within your breathing and within your physical body.
Q: So I don’t have to physically go to Mount Timpanogos? I could do this from anywhere?
Kipu: Will be preferable for you to physically go there. With respect to the specific question you are asking, you need not seek any more intellectual or cerebral-type information regarding the Ghost Dance. You have so many Ghost Dance connections within the etheric world that there is no need for you to seek anything other than that connection. Simply unplug your ears, and they will tell you more than you could ever have hoped to know.
The physical locations will help. As we have discussed with another questioner regarding the Pi stones, the use of a physical object, specifically a stone or a physical location, a physical location of stones, circle of stones, similar things, serve as a sort of beacon or homing device, which helps individuals to gravitate to the appropriate resonant frequency vibrational ranges. And thus as we have described earlier with the “pizza consortium,” when you are thinking about pizza, eating pizza, etc., you are temporarily within the pizza consortium, yes? So, similarly these large mountain locations with the energetic extradimensional realms of energy focused there, fixated there, is certainly very simple to shift and become part of that very large, well-established energetic focal point by physically attending.
Q: I understand. To me, that feels like it would work better, that’s why I asked the question.
Kipu: Yes. And again, you have answered your own question. Your feeling is always better than the ideas and thoughts.
Q: It’s good to confirm, though. You said last time that I could begin connecting with the being of the Sphinx, or the idea of a being of the Sphinx anytime I wished. And so my question would be what technique can I use to do that?
Kipu: We sense that the immediate connection which we have just discussed is the more relevant one, and thus the more logical starting point. To begin with the Sphinx would be, as they say, going around your butt to get to your elbow. Whereas the Ghost Dance is very here and very now, and more relevant and pertinent as well as the extensive connections available geographically, there are also the connections you have made by consciously entering the Kipu. And with your ability to travel in the Southwestern and Northwestern regions of the United States, you may encounter many more such opportunities. You may become one who is a bit of a rock hound, in a different way. One who goes about and sniffs out interesting little mysteries.
Q: That makes sense. Well, thank you for speaking with me today. That’s all the questions I think are relevant to ask at this time. So thank you very much.
Kipu: We thank you for consciously joining us, and for your efforts within our consortium. Our love to you.
Q: So you, the Kipu, are you mostly people who have lived monastic lives? Or do you have various backgrounds?
Kipu: First know that we the Kipu includes yourself.
Q: Okay, us the Kipu. Thank you.
Kipu: Us, the Kipu. We, the Kipu. The consortium referred to generally as Kipu is centered around the channel herself and her parallel incarnations, most of whom have monastic ties. She has extensive monastic ties. However, it is to be understood that the overall Kipu, when we discuss Kipu, is a constantly fluctuating and changing consortium of, we could say, visiting scholars, rogues, and angels who come and go.
Just as the prior question about how you are perceived or how you are experienced, as your expression of consciousness throws off a certain light, at a certain, vibration, it is almost like a smell. And as other individuals who have olfactory apparatus are attracted or repelled by certain smells, when a certain scent is positive or attractive, such an individual gravitates to that smell. This is not a thing where the first individual has said, “I wish to present a smell!” It is simply something that is part of existence. And the one who is attracted to it similarly does not necessarily consciously gravitate, although it can also be conscious, as we have discussed with the bridging concept between the physical and the higher mind. Does that make sense?
Kipu: So, like attracts like. Water seeks its own level. This happens on many levels at once. Again, you are happening on many levels at once. It is necessary and important to focus the physical mind down, yes? Do you understand?
Kipu: This is what is called grounding, is the attentiveness to the actual presentation of the life as perceived. That is the No. 1 job of the conscious mind, is to gather facts. That is all. Simply gather, gather, gather facts, and allow the higher self to create the plans and provide the navigation. Allow the higher self to provide the navigation. Keep your pencil sharpened with your thoughts, with your insistence on doing so.
Q: Yes. So this consortium that we’re a part of now is a consortium of what, integrity? Can you elaborate on that?
Kipu: Well, the primary Kipu consortium, as described, is, again, focused around the channel herself and her parallel incarnations. You may think of her core consciousness as a working group, like a consulting firm. And then other consultants, and other consulting firms may merge and diverge, depending upon the project, the interest, the skill sets, etc. Does that answer your question?
Q: Near my home town in Heber City, Utah, there is a mountain called Mount Timpanogos. And from my perspective, on my side of the mountain, on the left-hand side there is what looks like an outline of a woman lying down. And it made me think about the Sphinx. You said the Sphinx was a physicalization of a collective of beings. I’m probably messing that up. But I wanted to ask if the Mount Timpanogos structure, the way it was designed, does that represent anything? What can you say more about that?
Kipu: We may say that there are two entirely different things at work. The Sphinx was a physicalization in terms of inspiration that was required, the amount of consortium input that had to be physicalized by human beings to make that happen was enormous. Understood?
Kipu: The Sphinx is only a physicalization in that sense. There was no incarnation per se in that way. It was literally a monument created by an enormous group. The amount of consortium-level energy that had to be filtered down appropriately through living channels at the timeframe was extraordinary, phenomenal. As above, so below. That was a manifestation of an energetic creation. You may think of it as a channeling. It is a channeled expression of an artwork that exists on an energetic level, and serves an entirely different resonance function within its working group. And that is all the hints you will get about that for today.
Q: Fair enough.
Kipu: What was the other question? Oh, about the mountain, Timpanogos. Our sense of this is that you have hit upon a local energetic, naturally occurring vortex, which is connected to specific interdimensional beings, or used in a specific way. This is why the appearance to yourself in your imagination. As we have said, imagination and intuition are the same thing. Those words are interchangeable. And thus when you see a natural feature, especially in your geographical location, where this is a very prominent cultural artifact, it is a very likely experience to have in the American Southwest generally. Because similar experiences have happened many times, and these energetic connections have been strengthened and reinforced over generations on both sides.
And thus as you experience such things triggering such imaginations of specific beings, images, or ideas which open up other vistas of exploration for yourself, you may take the literal things metaphorically.
Q: Right. The literal mountain shape I can take metaphorically in some way?
Kipu: Yes. For example, if that were a woman lying there, you may ask yourself on an energetic level, why? In this way you may come to know that being. You may come to familiarize yourself with the interdimensional being recognized as a figure by yourself, by your own intuition. This is similar to an interdimensional being known as the Angel of Shavano in Colorado, which the channel has experienced in a similar way. This is a vortex or portal.
Q: So if I were to go to the top of that, is that where the vortex would be strongest?
Kipu: It is not logical to assume directionality would apply in an interdimensional exchange. You would automatically gravitate to the portion of the field that was more relevant for yourself in whatever way. And as you own consciousness and intention and experience continue to shift and change within that energetic field, the response and the outcome would naturally shift and flow as well. Things are not so hard and fast. There are not such clear and firm lines as you tend to think.
Q: That makes sense.
Kipu: We sense that we have not answered your question fully.
Q: Well, there’s an Native American legend around the mountain. They have various stories of what happened. So that’s just their perception of the energy of that place, is that correct?
Kipu: These are your beginning starting points of coming to familiarize yourself and acquaint yourself with that being, of the mountain, the beings, the interdimensional beings who have this established history of interaction and communication with the local humans. This is how you may observe the interaction that this same being has had with other humans. And you may begin to apply their experiences as a preamble or a prefix to your own. And then you may begin to add your own experiences with that being, or those beings, to the overall canon of understanding.
Q: The part of this that I’m confused about is which beings are you talking about. Are you talking about ETs? Interdimensional beings? Or are you talking about the beings of the mountain itself? Or the Earth?
Kipu: All three. It is all three. It is all three at once. It is all three at once. Interdimensional beings can inhabit a mountain for certain timeframes, for certain purposes.
Q: That answers that, thank you.
Kipu: We sense there is still some confusion.
Q: When you say being, I imagine like a physical, human-sized being.
Kipu: Well, this is a mistake on your part, then, isn’t it?
Q: Well, that’s what I’m trying to understand.
Kipu: Silly rabbit. Silly rabbit! What shape is the Holy Ghost?
Q: I don’t know. It doesn’t have a shape. It depends on who you ask.
Kipu: Is it a being?
Q: Sure, yes.
Kipu: Extradimensional beings need not have any shape or form whatsoever. You may think of it as a glob of consciousness, literally nothing more than a cloud of consciousness, without the cloud.
Q: I understand that. I just wanted to make sure you weren’t saying something like an ET civilization had come down on the mountain and done something.
Kipu: [Laughing] We have not said they did not. We have certainly not said they did not. That question was not asked.
Q: Do you want to say more about those events?
Kipu: Please ask a specific question.
Q: Did an extraterrestrial civilization land on Mount Timpanogos at some point in time?
Kipu: When you say “land on,” this is an overly specific definition. We have said several times that many extradimensional beings come and go from this mountain at different times, for different reasons. They may be extradimensional, they may be extraterrestrial, they may be many different beings. There are, however, certain beings which have an extensive history of interaction with the Native humans of the area. And as we have said, the legends and stories of such have been examples of interactions with one or more of such beings inhabiting the mountain.
The extradimensionals may be connected with the elementals as extended family in ways which you may not be able to perceive currently, in that the Earth has sisters, and brothers, and cousins, yes? And thus other beings may come to the Earth to connect with her in certain locations at certain times, for reasons you may not have imagined. And thus the connections with the local humans, and the interactions with the local humans, may be incidental, simply because the consciousnesses or the other beings are in the area, and the Native Americans were consistently aware of their higher selves, were consistently living a lifestyle that enabled them to keep their pencils sharp. And thus they were able to notice the beings within the mountains as simply as they were able to notice animals walking around.
Q: Why do the legends say that Western Native Americans had to sacrifice people to bring rain? Did that really happen among Native Americans, human sacrifice? Let me clarify, among the ones that were aware of their higher selves?
Kipu: The question is somewhat difficult in the framing, in that it is not so rigid a concept as you are perceiving. Their awareness of their higher selves was more akin to lucid dreaming, was more akin to a much larger perspective.
As we have discussed, one of our Kipu, Xyalatl, has been an ancestral, archetypal Mesoamerican Toltec-Aztec priest. And he was someone who you would consider to be a lucid dreamer who prayed without ceasing. And thus it is entirely possible to get this enormous question, this enormous theological issue, incorrect. Even for the most diligent and dedicated servant, it is entirely possible to confuse whether reality or consciousness is more important. Even when we know the correct answer, it is still entirely possible to come up with the wrong result.
Q: This is kind of like Joseph Smith receiving a certain message and then going sideways with it due to his own belief systems?
Kipu: Correct. That said, we will, as you might say, keep it 100. Xyalatl had much stronger integrity than Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith would not be so much in this conversation without your invocation of him. And you have graced him. You have assisted in Joseph Smith’s shoveling his way out of hell.
Q: How would I do that?
Kipu: You have done it by invoking Joseph Smith. He worked his way through, with his own integrity, to the point where he was able to connect with you at the level where you were able to consciously enter this consortium. And thus using your integrity to discuss him, to, as we have said, “Beetlejuice” him, you have brought him more directly into the conversation than he would otherwise be. He is thus able to share what he has learned with us all.
Q: Good. When Xyalatl would sacrifice children he had integrity, but his belief systems were that he had to sacrifice someone for a much more positive benefit? Is that correct?
Kipu: Yes. He believed that he was drawing all of the Earth’s evil unto himself.
Q: That’s crazy to me.
Kipu: No, within his context it made perfect sense at the time. This is what he has to say for you, is that the same mistake that he made, anyone can make, and people make all the time. To believe – we must not be so sure of conscious beliefs. Don’t believe everything you think.
Q: His was just on a more life-and-death scale, if you will?
Kipu: Xyalatl was an individual whose self-discipline and sobriety would stun Joseph Smith into shame.
Q: So the message is don’t believe our conscious thoughts and beliefs so much?
Kipu: Yes. Don’t place so much stock in the things that you think. You must always resort to your energy self. You must always, always believe what you feel and what you know. Is it not that you have often been in an experience where on the surface level, the words and the flow of ordinary things appeared to be just fine, but in your gut you felt like things were just not right somehow?
Kipu: This is always the case. This is a question of picking up on subtler energetic realities and truths which are frequently bypassed by the conscious mind. We will say with respect to an earlier question, it is entirely appropriate for the conscious mind to be continually gathering information and handing it over to the higher self. The higher self will give directions in the form of physical sensations. And thus awareness, such as with breath and body awareness, is crucial to being guided by the higher self at all times and in all things.
And thus we may say prayer without ceasing is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. That is to say, maintaining that conscious connection to your higher self within your physicalization is a highly recommended lifestyle choice.
Q: Another word we have for that is intuition. Isn’t it the same thing, kind of feeling what’s right?
Kipu: Intuition is the same thing as imagination. We are talking about a much more immediate experience, your immediate experience of life, the actual sensation. It is to be understood that there is only one life, and all beings are sharing of it. And thus the portion that you call “you” is one bit of it, which has been squashed down in a certain way to continue the pencil analogy, and hardened, squashed down, pushed, hardened all the way down into expression as a physical being.
Q: Did Xyalatl feel like something wasn’t quite right, but he didn’t listen to his feelings?
Kipu: Yes. As the old saying goes, his dogma ran over his karma. His karma ran over his dogma. [Laughs]
Q: The Kipu said as I put myself in someone’s shoes and empathize with him, I will feel the connection to him more. My question is how I will experience the connection? Through imagination/inspiration? Through dreams? Through mental images?
Kipu: As you expand your empathy in general, you experience more communication on more levels. You are literally better able to relate to others in an overall way.
This is the same idea as copying sacred texts to retrace the mental steps of the teacher. You may take the knowledge that you are in communication, that you are making such connections, and play with it. You can best identify your own internal communications. Follow the feelings of excitement and curiosity about others. That is how such connections are found.